Posts by The Rebel

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What does your baptism mean to you now?

by GiftsinMen in

i was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.

it is still a date with deep meaning for me.

i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.

The Rebel

Agreed LoveUnHateExams:-

But " GIftsinMen" got baptised and made a dedication to " God" and that dedication is very commendable and sincere. All I would add is your user name " GiftsinMen" does not balance with the bible passage " Do not put your trust in man". So you do what your heart tells you and your heart will " hear" and answer " at the deepest level" and don't let us or any " idiot elders or bonkers organisation change that"

The Rebel.

p.s maybe iam over using the word " love" but "loved" your term " bonkers"

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What does your baptism mean to you now?

by GiftsinMen in

i was baptised on 1st sept 1990, 25years ago today.

it is still a date with deep meaning for me.

i never dedicated my life to serving any man or any organisation, this was my choice - as a grown adult - to serve my god through jesus christ.

The Rebel

Hi GiftsinMen:-

Firstly I also think there is nothing wrong with the " f" word. I do think however it can be over used like the word " love" and i think If we use over use these words they loose the impact.

Now to your question " What does my baptism mean to me" I am tempted to say it once meant " love" but it now means " f...k" but I don't want to over use those words on something that now means "nought" "zero" and " nothing" to me.

All I would add is sometimes, somethings takes time but you will heal....and it will get better.

The Rebel.

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

So do I LoveUnHateExams.

But I think violent death creates a Legend.

" America has known many rebellions,

but never one like this:

millions of teenage rebels heading for nowhere,

some in' hot-rod" cars, the others on the

blare of rock 'n roll music, some with guns in their hands.

And at their head- a DEAD leader"

Picture Post October 8th 1956.

That was written on the death of James Dean . His VIOLENT death made him " immortal" to his generation, and only time has diminished that stature. But the Jesus death ( JESUS DEATH even spells like JAMES DEAN) has survived over 2000 years.

Why?

i think Jesus was untouchable until the Internet. Now it's harder to believe that the grave was empty and that he rose ....

The Rebel.

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Guardians Of Doctrine (GOD) and the Governing Body

by punkofnice in

i don't know if gb member g jackson really meant the gb were 'god', with his 'guardians of doctrine' comment at the arc.

it's nice and conspiracy to think so, i suppose.

i honestly don't know.

The Rebel

punk:-

What is a guardian?

answer ) it is a person with " legal authority"

So I assume he is saying " God" ( did he not say Jehover?) has given the G.B legal authority to be guardians of his doctrines" . Now I assume this would mean the printing and publication of W.T literature.

Its interesting in a court of law it is not always about justice but what is legal. So in a court of law " insane" statements that can't be proven are legal. Who can disprove his statement the G.B are " God" and " Guardians of his doctrine"

Anyway since when did the watchtower = sanity?

The Rebel

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

DJS:-

a fair and valid point, however I never referred to Jesus as "my presious" ( so please don't assume that) I said the character was " a rebel with a cause" who like Smiddy, I believe to be a fictional character.

I also think many Christians believe the message of Jesus, was a war between evil and good. So in short they believe in " just war"

Having said that we all like our baddie films, and make heroes of Killers like " Billy the kid" & " Butch & Sundance" ect. I believe these Idealised images and views of manliness,are seen for what they are entertainment.The difference is I believe people do not see Jesus as entertainment.

Would the view many have of Jessus be weakened with out the violence to the story? I believe to maintain "Jesus popularity " the violent death of Jesus was needed, as much as the message of peace many claim he delivered .

The Rebel.

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

Smiddy "I'm more inclined to think of him as a fictional character..."

And the world would be a sadder place with out its fictional characters. Imagine a world of literature with out Tom & Huck,or Sherlock @ Watson,. And what about our great comedians, or actors from Errol Flynn & John Wayne,to James Dean,De Niro & Pacino, the fictional characters they portray become real to us and in some strange and magical way enrich our life's.

Yet each of the fictional book characters, or the characters portrayed by the actors will be outlived by time, and yet our " idealist fool" (which is how Anne Frank described Jesus) lives on and on....maybe for many because of the message of hope? Ironically many a war has been blamed on that message.

The Rebel.

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The social institution of the Kingdom Hall.

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

it is a warm sunny day, blue skies and i am excited by the prospect this sunday holds.

will i dismantle a motorbike?

paint a picture?

The Rebel

So turning my O.P around what did I miss?

No public talk.

No W.T study.

No 1 hour service.

No magazine placements.

No food at the proper time.

No false handshakes with my brothers.

No wasted petrol.money.

No contributing my money to the W.T

No being told my tie was too flashes.

I am FREE, even if J.Ws would say I am DOOMED. At least I am FREEDOOM (ed)

THE REBEL.

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Rebel With A Cause....

by The Rebel in

" only the good die young".

or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for you.

the trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.. this is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero jesus.

The Rebel

" Only the good die young". Or at least they remain eternally young and heroic particularly if they died for YOU. The trouble is we can outgrow our hero worship and our opinions of that person can change.

This is what has happened to me with my childhood friend and my hero JESUS. I no longer believe he died for my sins. But I want to keep the figure of the man alive in my heart so this is how I do that:-

Jesus remains to me a religious fanatic, a young Jew who wanted to make the world a better place to live in. A REBEL WITH A CAUSE, who fought the establishment. Each of the parties, Pharasis, Scribes and Romans might have used him for their political ends, but he was an idealist who was willing to die for what he believed in.

Being the " son of God" is easy being "a man" is harder. That is enough for me and I still class my childhood friend as a hero,and my " Rebel with a Cause"

Anyway how do you see your Jesus today? Is he the son of God? Simply a man? Or a fictional character?

The Rebel.

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What has the Watchtower reading material done to YOU?

by The Rebel in

jw
friends

the reason i ask is because i realise i couldn't go on reading watchtower material.

i have discovered it did something to my mind no other literature has done to me before.

it had turned me in to a person without a heart, or soul, and made me in humane and distant from other humans who didn't share the w.t world view.. i now feel ashamed of my childish behaviour, and i have learnt :-.

The Rebel

I feel sorry for the kids. They read it and loose their innocence because :-

a) Instead of knowing they are taught to understand a W.T world.

b) Instead of feeling they are taught God.

i hadn't really thought about the power and impact that this literature has on " kids" before. Do you feel the same way?

Its worth pointing out W.T literature is translated in to 700 languages.

The Rebel.

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JW Threatened me with Violence Today :)

by cofty in

i popped into the supermarket for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle alongside a couple who used to be in my tuesday group.

i see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance.

i noticed that ian was sporting a shaggy beard.

The Rebel

I also popped in to the supermarket today for a few things after work today and found myself walking up an aisle along side a couple of my former meat eating friends. I see them reasonably often and always say hello much to their obvious annoyance. Ian noticed my trolley contained no meat . The isle was less empty without my pork cutlets.

Ian. " you don't eat pig anymore, do you?

Me " That's none of your business"

Ian " I am just curious why you think this way, when you know it tastes so good?"

Me " That's none of your business"

Isn" I am just curious why you behave this way when you eat fish"

Me ( getting up in Ian's face) " Do you want me to hit you? "

Ian " If you hit me I will f..king deck you "

.......................

Conclusion,.....anyway I am looking forward to seeing Ian again. This little incident will provide for weeks of teasing. However maybe if I had showed Ian the evidence to my believes, and respected him we could simply remain friends who begged to differ.

Be the bigger man.

The Rebel.